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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-104490</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good video that explains the &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3892310789953943147&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;issues surrounding plastics in the ocean&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good video that explains the <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3892310789953943147" rel="nofollow">issues surrounding plastics in the ocean</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-104487</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of garbage heaps learn about &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Great Pacific Garbage Patch&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of garbage heaps learn about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch" rel="nofollow">Great Pacific Garbage Patch</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: drunk liar</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-104258</link>
		<dc:creator>drunk liar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you consider c0nverting all the garbage to methanol using the cutting edge technology of a home grown tech company?

www.inentec.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you consider c0nverting all the garbage to methanol using the cutting edge technology of a home grown tech company?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inentec.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.inentec.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-103920</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kendall/Gorrdon,  E-Waste was discussed as well as  potential technological solutions as they develop.  I&#039;ll write more about those in my next &quot;Garbage&quot; post.

I&#039;ve been to the pit many times when I was a kid and more recently when I was remodeling a house.  Visceral... I was looking for a word... the horror!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kendall/Gorrdon,  E-Waste was discussed as well as  potential technological solutions as they develop.  I&#8217;ll write more about those in my next &#8220;Garbage&#8221; post.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to the pit many times when I was a kid and more recently when I was remodeling a house.  Visceral&#8230; I was looking for a word&#8230; the horror!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-103910</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, on the education front you should have a &quot;take the kids to the dump&quot; day. Get the kids started out early on the consequences of waste. The trashcan should not be seen as some cosmic void which is wonderfully carted off  by the friendly sanitation worker who grabs your grey trash bin every week.

Nothing like the visceral experience to motivate.

As a kid I remember taking regular trips to the local landfill and also sneaking in with my dad while they were closed to pick through the ruins.   The stench of it all was a powerful reminder of what we throw away.

Also, on the cultural aspects you should really check out a documentary film called &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gleaners_and_I&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Gleaners and I&lt;/a&gt;. It is a really powerful story of the modern day gleaner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, on the education front you should have a &#8220;take the kids to the dump&#8221; day. Get the kids started out early on the consequences of waste. The trashcan should not be seen as some cosmic void which is wonderfully carted off  by the friendly sanitation worker who grabs your grey trash bin every week.</p>
<p>Nothing like the visceral experience to motivate.</p>
<p>As a kid I remember taking regular trips to the local landfill and also sneaking in with my dad while they were closed to pick through the ruins.   The stench of it all was a powerful reminder of what we throw away.</p>
<p>Also, on the cultural aspects you should really check out a documentary film called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gleaners_and_I" rel="nofollow">The Gleaners and I</a>. It is a really powerful story of the modern day gleaner.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HappyHeathen, all good points.

After listening to McDonough I have come to understand this as a design problem. He makes a good point about the plastic bottle. It you understand it as stored energy in the form of a pretroleum by product, then you can envision its secondary potential. Namely as a source of fuel that can be burned in a fire or fireplace. The problem is that the product&#039;s toxicity means that if you burn it then you release some of the most powerfully know carcinogens the world has ever seen. But there is no reason the product can&#039;t be designed to be safely combustable.

So the question we have to ask is how can this cycle be changed. The changes have to be structural though, and happen at industry level. There is nothing wrong with the plastic bag if it was properly designed to be used as a fuel afterwords. But it strikes me as unreasonable to even put the onus on the end consumer as so much of the cynical wings of the environmental movement suggest.

Jimmy, rather than expanding the landfill you consider ways in which it can actually be shrunk. Ways to disincentivize the traditional notion of trash. One of the things Seattle does is have huge recycle bins and tiny trash bins. The recycle is basically free but the trash costs a lot. 

Once the consumer faces a direct cost to &quot;throw it away&quot; then they seek out products that reduce the absurd amounts of packaging. 

This is how you we confront the education issue.

Waste = food. That is the way it needs to be thought of. Our feces become our fertilizer. And our packaging can be designed as a fuel, or an infinitely recycled product. Nutrient flows that benefit our agriculture. There are lots of farms in the area. How can some of the things that go into the landfill be made useful for the farm community? Either as energy or fertilizer. 

Also, for existing waste there was an interesting process I have heard about a process called &quot;fluff&quot; which converts solid landfill waste into into building products and soil substrates.

You might check this out

http://www.cftomlinson.com/wastaway/faq.html

Probably needs more study though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HappyHeathen, all good points.</p>
<p>After listening to McDonough I have come to understand this as a design problem. He makes a good point about the plastic bottle. It you understand it as stored energy in the form of a pretroleum by product, then you can envision its secondary potential. Namely as a source of fuel that can be burned in a fire or fireplace. The problem is that the product&#8217;s toxicity means that if you burn it then you release some of the most powerfully know carcinogens the world has ever seen. But there is no reason the product can&#8217;t be designed to be safely combustable.</p>
<p>So the question we have to ask is how can this cycle be changed. The changes have to be structural though, and happen at industry level. There is nothing wrong with the plastic bag if it was properly designed to be used as a fuel afterwords. But it strikes me as unreasonable to even put the onus on the end consumer as so much of the cynical wings of the environmental movement suggest.</p>
<p>Jimmy, rather than expanding the landfill you consider ways in which it can actually be shrunk. Ways to disincentivize the traditional notion of trash. One of the things Seattle does is have huge recycle bins and tiny trash bins. The recycle is basically free but the trash costs a lot. </p>
<p>Once the consumer faces a direct cost to &#8220;throw it away&#8221; then they seek out products that reduce the absurd amounts of packaging. </p>
<p>This is how you we confront the education issue.</p>
<p>Waste = food. That is the way it needs to be thought of. Our feces become our fertilizer. And our packaging can be designed as a fuel, or an infinitely recycled product. Nutrient flows that benefit our agriculture. There are lots of farms in the area. How can some of the things that go into the landfill be made useful for the farm community? Either as energy or fertilizer. </p>
<p>Also, for existing waste there was an interesting process I have heard about a process called &#8220;fluff&#8221; which converts solid landfill waste into into building products and soil substrates.</p>
<p>You might check this out</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cftomlinson.com/wastaway/faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cftomlinson.com/wastaway/faq.html</a></p>
<p>Probably needs more study though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear Best Buy has a good recycling plan for all those old computer doorstops I&#039;ve accumulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear Best Buy has a good recycling plan for all those old computer doorstops I&#8217;ve accumulated.</p>
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		<title>By: HappyHeathen</title>
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		<dc:creator>HappyHeathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education is big.  Do you really need to buy the cereal with the box AND the plastic wrap inside the box or is the cereal lower down on the shelf without the box as good? So much of what we buy is designed around packaging that is the most wasteful.
.
Encourage people to recycle right at home. I grind my own coffee and take the bag back at least once to fill again.  Little things add up. 
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And much of what we throw away is still useful.  Tired of that old clock that still works?  Don&#039;t throw it away.  Gather all that stuff up and take it to a thrift store.  You&#039;d be surprised who wants that clock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education is big.  Do you really need to buy the cereal with the box AND the plastic wrap inside the box or is the cereal lower down on the shelf without the box as good? So much of what we buy is designed around packaging that is the most wasteful.<br />
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Encourage people to recycle right at home. I grind my own coffee and take the bag back at least once to fill again.  Little things add up.<br />
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And much of what we throw away is still useful.  Tired of that old clock that still works?  Don&#8217;t throw it away.  Gather all that stuff up and take it to a thrift store.  You&#8217;d be surprised who wants that clock.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-103825</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that is one of the options... expanding our current landfill.  This is a good discussion I was planning for later but expanding Richland&#039;s &quot;Sanitary Landfill&quot; (not dump although we call it that) appears to be one of the cost lowering options.  We will know more as we go along.

And yes, I&#039;m interested about the methane.   I just don&#039;t know enough about that option yet or if it is even cost effective at this point.  There seems to be a threshold from what I understand so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that is one of the options&#8230; expanding our current landfill.  This is a good discussion I was planning for later but expanding Richland&#8217;s &#8220;Sanitary Landfill&#8221; (not dump although we call it that) appears to be one of the cost lowering options.  We will know more as we go along.</p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;m interested about the methane.   I just don&#8217;t know enough about that option yet or if it is even cost effective at this point.  There seems to be a threshold from what I understand so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gibney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Gibney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, you said it&#039;s about full (Richland&#039;s dump).  I&#039;m not sure I agreee with it, but there&#039;s still a lot of room out in the Klickitat County desert.

They actually do use some of the methane produced for power generation, and it is conviently located on the grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, you said it&#8217;s about full (Richland&#8217;s dump).  I&#8217;m not sure I agreee with it, but there&#8217;s still a lot of room out in the Klickitat County desert.</p>
<p>They actually do use some of the methane produced for power generation, and it is conviently located on the grid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-103793</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Richland runs it&#039;s own landfill.  We don&#039;t ship to Roosevelt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Richland runs it&#8217;s own landfill.  We don&#8217;t ship to Roosevelt.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gibney</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-103785</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gibney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end, y&#039;all just ship it to Roosevelt for Rabanco to bury.</description>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-103691</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See previous comment in moderation, probably because it has a few URLs in the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See previous comment in moderation, probably because it has a few URLs in the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.mccranium.org/2008/05/31/garbage-is-really-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-103686</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, we talked about the various options a bit and also brainstormed on our personal experiences.  But I don&#039;t feel the brainstorming produced anything particularly new.  I don&#039;t say that to sound like it was unproductive.  Just that at this point, every idea is something Richland pretty much isn&#039;t doing now.  But we can all agree that we are fortunate to have full control over what we do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, we talked about the various options a bit and also brainstormed on our personal experiences.  But I don&#8217;t feel the brainstorming produced anything particularly new.  I don&#8217;t say that to sound like it was unproductive.  Just that at this point, every idea is something Richland pretty much isn&#8217;t doing now.  But we can all agree that we are fortunate to have full control over what we do!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should really check out William McDonough&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mcdonough.com/cradle_to_cradle.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cradle to Cradle&lt;/a&gt;. It seems like it is up the alley of what you are concerned with.  Namely sustainable design and the lifecycle of products and materials.

A shorter speech from TED here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoRjz8iTVoo

A similar but longer speech here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLd6dUmu70

Most interesting is the sustainable city designs he has been working on in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should really check out William McDonough&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mcdonough.com/cradle_to_cradle.htm" rel="nofollow">Cradle to Cradle</a>. It seems like it is up the alley of what you are concerned with.  Namely sustainable design and the lifecycle of products and materials.</p>
<p>A shorter speech from TED here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoRjz8iTVoo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoRjz8iTVoo</a></p>
<p>A similar but longer speech here<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLd6dUmu70" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLd6dUmu70</a></p>
<p>Most interesting is the sustainable city designs he has been working on in China.</p>
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